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IIT-JEE Will Be Missed

The Joint Entrance Exams for admission to the IITs, which are expected to be scrapped, was created to weed out mediocrity and test the intricate knowledge of students
IIT-JEE Will Be Missed
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BRAIN TEASERS The IIT-JEE would definitely rank among the toughest three examinations in the World

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former director of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Madras, professor M.S. Ananth, recollects a dinner table conversation with an Indian Administrative Services (IAS) officer. The IAS officer firmly believed that the IIT Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) could easily be replaced by any other exam in India.

Like what, asked Ananth? Perhaps, the UPSC examination, argued the officer. It is fair, tough and can pick the best minds in the country. Ananth remembers his retort to that suggestion. “You get your current UPSC batch and I will get my students and let’s see which is the best team at analytical and reasoning skills.” Ananth claims the officer had a hearty laugh and left it at that.

There is the Dakar Rally in motor rallying. There is the Ironman Triathlon in athleticism. And then there is the Hell Week at the Navy Seal’s training course in the US Marine Corps. These are things that push the mind and the body to the extent possible. The IIT-JEE can be added to this list. It would definitely rank among the toughest three examinations in the world.

The JEE began life as the Common Entrance Exam (CEE). The CEE coincides with the IIT Act of 1961. The idea was to weed out mediocre talent and pick only those who could solve S.L. Loney’s trigonometric identities while brushing their teeth. A JEE question wasn’t just a question. It was designed to knock the intellectual stuffing out of the candidate.

Many who have been a part of the JEE system feel it is the best examination when it comes to testing the intricate knowledge of students. “It does not matter if 2 lakh or 5 lakh students are taking the exam,” says Dr. Ashok Misra, chairman of Intellectual Ventures and former director of IIT, Bombay.

Misra himself took the JEE (then CEE) in 1963.  “It didn’t matter where you came from; to clear the JEE you had to be good,” says professor Jayant Baliga, Distinguished University Professor NC State University who was in the top 50 when he took the exam in 1965.

To help the students, postal coaching classes like Brilliant Tutorials came up. Later, coaching towns like Kota in Rajasthan came up as most state boards did not equip students for the gruelling demands of the JEE. Lalit Goel, an IIT Bombay alumnus, and top 50 ranker in the JEE, remembers his days at Bansal Classes in Kota. “I had made a decision that I will not play [cricket] and not think about girls. We are all away from home. All days were very busy with the coaching and homework,” he says.

But what made the JEE a starting point for something good was the faculty. “It was absolutely world class. I remember my mechanics professor telling me that they weren’t here to teach us a topic, but rather a way of thinking about problems. That’s what makes the IITs special. The JEE is just the start,” says Nitin Srivastava, co-founder & CEO, Mindworks Global Media Services, and an alumnus of IIT Kanpur.
So long JEE: It was tough while it lasted!

This article appeared in the Forbes India magazine issue of 02 March, 2012
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Sid Jan 6, 2014
Earlier JEE was not an effective tool for testing one's aptitude for engineering as it focused on practice solving questions from limited but important chapters from the prescribed syllabus and one can get through. Their was and is still a distinct urban middle class bias in the the exams , as far i know none amongst the people who cleared had cleared the exam without the help of coaching factories. Each of these factories charge 200000 to 500000 INR for two years program which a student from lower socioeconomic strata would find it impossible to pay even though she is bright.

As far a the stupid professor insights on analytical and reasoning skills the 'g' factor is innate and it is fixed by the time a child reaches
16th year so UPSC and IIT JEE have no concern what so ever on one's logical skills or any of the skills.If the IAS exams are simpler compared to IIT-JEE than why is the All India topper only able to score 45% in the exams and rest of the students whether from IIT or IIM or any other fancy ass institute could only manage 40 % after several years of preparation and the biggest joke in the article is hell week in Navy seals is tough.

The toughest obstacles officially
A)Indian Army's psy ops (illegal) forces training
B) Scoring more than 50% in IAS exams
C)Running Marathon de sables
people die every year in these competitions
Devta Nov 6, 2013
What's really made the JEE exams useless are the coaching institutes like fiitjee, bansal, narayana ... the list goes on.
So instead of making students better at analytic thinking, they brainwash them into thinking that school studies are a waste of time and coaching are best.
Umesh Kumar Oct 28, 2012
i am not an iitian but nitian, but i am sure that jee is not about spending money on coaching classes or not, what you need is clearity in knowledge - spending money for it or not doesnt matters. as far as school is concerned you dont get hell anything out of it, else mugging up the. JEE always remains the best method of technical evaluation
Response to Umesh Kumar:
Sahil Jan 9, 2014
top 1000 students can prove the skills well in them
Rohit Sep 16, 2012
And i am proud to have cracked one of the toughest examinations! :)
Shrill Mar 21, 2012
I am not an IITian but what surprises me most is the fact that the article mentions the success of coaching classes at Kota. There is no denying the fact that half of the students who used to crack the IIT JEE spent their 2-3 years at Kota.Bansal classes or whichever other coaching class it is,charges a huge sum of money and ILLEGALLY signs up with schools to get students through CBSE exams by forging attendance and not allowing them to goto school.YOU CALL THIS EDUCATION???
Ramji Mar 4, 2012
Another way to take way the autonomy from the IITs, Thanks Kapil Sibal, this what when you let bureaucrats, instead of educationalists take these decisions.
Meera_1980 Mar 1, 2012
The JEE was fool proof when the IITs conducted it now CBSE to conduct the ISEET(JEE?) exam, this is their track record.
1. cbse-question-papers-leaked
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cbse-question-papers-leaked-principal-arres/757864/
2. AIEEE (conducted by the CBSE) papers leaked
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/aieee-paper-leaked-exam-delayed-by-3-hours/150898-3.html
Meera_1980 Mar 1, 2012
The state of board exam answer sheets is this, imagine if they were to use board marks for admission to the iits
a. Answer sheet Board lost lands up in Mirror office
http://m.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?Page=article
Mohandas Mar 1, 2012
I don't understand how quota system diminshes the standard of IIT. A person from the reserved category has to still clear the entrance exam to enter into IIT.

IIT JEE is a test of sufficiency. I don't think everybody cracking the JEE is much cracked out to be. It would be nice to replace JEE with a more aptitude oriented test.
Sudha Feb 29, 2012
JEE is flawed simply because it measures repeatable problem solving.
No wonder the coaching institutes which have mastered the total spectrum of problems have helped candidates clear it like never before.
I have worked/interviewed a lot of the IIT candidates and personally havent found anything great to set them apart. I have found students from far less famed institutes in the West to be much more original, analytical and innovative. Will however admit IITians are more hard working. But I would trade someone more original to hardwork.

What is needed is a system of continous evaluation that measures sustained analytical capability and an apptitude for engineering subjects. This is not at all measured by the JEE.
JEE/CPI/US Univ/an MNC job....seems to be pretty much what gets focus. No wonder the IITs haven't been able to produce something very original/innovative/path breaking by global standards...leave alone contibuting to more relavant, critical problems in the Indian economy.
Abhejit Feb 29, 2012
Whats made the IIT's mediocre is this current government's mad attempt to introduce every kind of quota into the institution and replace quality with quantity. A caste quota to elect even the Professors of the IIT's was the day I was truly fearful that they will go down the gutter. Anyways most IIT'ians only seem to have the IIM's on their mind, forget about research and PhD's. Thats a pity.
Chitrak Gangrade Feb 25, 2012
So True! Prof Ananth: Totally agree!!!
Sigh! My biggest achievement in life goes down the gutter :(
IIT standard is gonna take a dip. My kids are gonna laugh at me for being an IITian
Bharatkumar Feb 24, 2012
it is the worst pattern of testing how we can select the merit student by giving the weightage of board marks some boards are very easy to get the marks and how can we trust the board that condut the exams it is very nonsense in many states by this pattern we get the students who mughup but the merit and if we want to go to root level students how i dont know English will decide the matter even the reasoning part many government students don't know about English and reasoning what about these students ???????
Rishant Singh Feb 24, 2012
Professors will miss us [ JEE qualified students]
I will try to predict the future as most of the economist do based on some of my assumptions regarding new ISEET.

Assumption 1: It is possible to conduct a fair national exam like UPSC, IIT JEE, AIPMT.

Assumption 2: There is a lot of people who have power/money to influence one school or some teachers.

Assumption 3: Many teachers in CBSE , State boards do not have enough knowledge to judge students.

Soon , many MLA , IAS , Industrialist will build schools or influence school with their power and money and will bring an advantage of few percentage points compared to a poor studying in Super 30 in Bihar or a poor student studying in Barmer. [ I have many friends who have cracked Jee from these places].

We all know that in national exam even two percent can make a difference between IIT or VIT.
So now people who should have studied in some private Gangotri college in Meerut will come and study in IIT or NIT.

It is not because we cannot take one fair exam, it is because we cannot really stop corruption in schools.

Professor in IIT and NIT and the comapnies will miss students because:

1) We did not go to class and yet we got results better than those non Jee qualified PhD who do the same courses with us. This is hurting now for professors but later the students will attend every class and yet will not get pass marks.

2) Our seniors use to teach us how to apply to foreign universities or how to develop a technological product. People who will come later after ISEET will teach how to get more money from parents to do wrong things, how can they tease girls inside campus, outside campus. They will not spare even the family members of professors. Yes they will do that. After all they will be the kids of MLA, IAS, and other industrialists. They know they have to either run family business, or go in elections or get into some government jobs by paying money.

3) They will miss us because any JEE qualified student never thinks about saying any wrong thing to the professors. They respect and they fear also that this degree is all they have. They will be expelled from college if they do not behave properly. But soon those people who would have paid and come here will not have such disincentives. They will beat professors, they will do whatever they want. Some professor will complain but it will be of no use. The one who has beaten him will be so powerful that in the end the professor will ask for sorry and leave the campus. He will go back to US university where he came from.

4) There will be no placement from IIT, NIT. Why will companies pay extra when they dont know whether the student he is interviewing has come from legitimate means or not. Whether he has threatened every body to get such a grade which is there on his CV.

Soon, good students will stop coming to IIT, NIT. Taxpayers money over the years that went into building this institution will be destroyed.

Private universities will mushroom. Students are like consumers. They will by the degree or go to those college which is best suited to them. It is the majority of professors who will suffer. They have tied their lives to this institution and they will suffer the most. When a company stops producing good products some other companies produce it.

The company which is closed. Only workers of those company suffer and I must say, professors are workers here and they will suffer the most.

It is my exam time, this is my personal view. Any IAS, MLA reading this please do not try to hurt me in any ways. I know you have all the means and capacity to do it.
Dilip Feb 24, 2012
I took the JEE exam in 2000 and it was proud feeling for me clearing two stage preliminary (objective questions) and main exam (subjective). JEE had its own charm and prestige that time. Later they moved to objective based questions only. And now govt. has some other plan. I am sure , whole India will miss the charm and prestige of one of toughest exam of the world 'JEE'.
Himanshu Soni Feb 24, 2012
It sucks.We lost our prestige
Shankar Feb 23, 2012
People running our government think that making a common exam for JEE, AIEEE and other engineering exam will reduce pressure to students.
1. Who will tell that if somehow the student did not do well in one exam, then he is gone, bec it was the only exam which will evaluate his talent.
2. And now IIT will be gone case for those who are good at analytical skill but not a mugging up, as in 10+2, u get good marks by mugging up.
Arpit Vyas Feb 23, 2012
What I feel about JEE is that no matter how rigorously you have prepared, you wouldn't find as if you know answers. There are always things to work out. It is not a lookup table kind of mechanism. Its always new, enchanting, rigorous and that's the beauty of it. That is what separates it from others. It brings the best of you.
Robert A Feb 23, 2012
An IAS is saying that UPSC can easily replace IIT JEE. Ofcourse Air force pilots can also be replaced with doctors?
Surbhi Garg Feb 23, 2012
Killing JEE is not obviously the solution to condemn coaching classes. It is the exam which distinguishes talented and hard working people from the flock. The argument behind taking killing JEE was that students should not take that much of stress to clear JEE. But somebody please them that if these students are not made to handle pressure of JEE, how are they gonna survive in IIT. I am a student of IITD and so I know how much efforts you have to make here to make others feel your existence. So Indian govt should not underestimate the capabilities of our students.
Dr Chetan P. Nemade Feb 23, 2012
In fact it has become necessary to improve the level of JEE. JEE can be cracked by an ordinarily intelligent student now a days by starting to study from high school itself. Thus he may supersede a originally talented candidate and fail in future where real talent is needed. There are better means to search talents than JEE and needs to be replace by one such method.
Response to Dr Chetan P. Nemade:
Swamy Feb 24, 2012
Such as?
Response to Swamy:
Prabhat Bhatt Oct 29, 2012
Such as Kalpana Chawala Pranav Mistry Yashwant Kanetkar and many more and recently awarded Nobel laureture from india all are non iitians and yes they all were missed by the "perfect" radar of JEE
Ashish K. Mishra Feb 23, 2012
Interesting perspective guys. But I have been wondering how and what role will 10+2 marks play in any test for engineering? The initial rationale was that students are missing school because of coaching institutes. Okay. But why kill the JEE? Will it actually ensure that students will go to school?
Rupesh Kumar Feb 23, 2012
Nothing can replace JEE!
Gyan Feb 23, 2012
There are always two sides to an issue. Same is the case with IIT-JEE.
Quote from an article published in 2000 "What Ails JEE?" link-http://www.iitk.ac.in/infocell/Archive/dirnov3/debate.html
"JEE has spawned a system that reduces young people to automatons, in more sense than one. They not only become robots in academics, as all of us can see in our core teaching encounters, they even resemble one another in personality. Gone are the sparkling eyes and scintillating engagements that used to be the teacher'€™s joy in our core programme. Today, our students are distinguishable from one another only by their CPI'€™s. In terms of personality, they constitute a grey canvas, devoid of colors."
I urge everybody to read the whole article as it is very enlightening and tells us the other side of the story normally hidden from public view
Nishkam Ravi Feb 22, 2012
Very well written article-- thanks.

I got my B.Tech in Computer Science from IIT-Bombay in 2002, PhD from Rutgers in 2007, worked with Intel, Santa Clara for 3 years and have been with NEC Labs in Princeton for the last 2. I have been donating money to IIT-Bombay on a regular basis purely out of gratitude and respect for a system that works and serves as the foundation for excellence. JEE being an important part of it.

My question for Mr. Sibal is: "There are tons of problems with the education system in India at various levels. IIT isnt one of them. Why would you try and change a system that works instead of focusing your energies on ones that dont? With all due respect, that's the tell-tale sign of an attention-seeking troublemaker."

One of the major sources of funding for IITs is the donations they receive from alumni. By scrapping JEE, not only are you taking a great risk in terms of jeopardizing the quality of students coming out of IITs (which has already been pointed out on this forum and several others), you are also potentially losing loyal alumni. I, for one, will stop donating.

I have interviewed scores of candidates for research and engineering positions. When I see a CV with "B.Tech from IIT", I assign more value to it than "PhD from MIT/Stanford". If JEE were scrapped, that would change as well.
Response to Nishkam Ravi:
Susa Feb 24, 2012
Well said. Totally agree.
Response to Nishkam Ravi:
Bharat Kumar Feb 24, 2012
what you said is 100% correct
Response to Nishkam Ravi:
Meera Mar 1, 2012
Very well said.
Paresh Kumar Singh Feb 22, 2012
JEE was the best and new system will destroy the real talent only who has good memory and could score good in Board will be selected and IIT will compromise with 3rd class talent. Our school teachers are very happy because now they will force students for tuition then only they will give 100% marks in practical only those syudents who took tuition from them and poor students will be badly affected.
Prashant Feb 22, 2012
hey Vikram
On your Comment-

"On The IIT JEE today is highly devalued thanks largely to these coaching institutes. The emphasis is on "cracking the exam" rather than improving overall analytical skills"

First of all as u said coaching institutes have devalued the IIT JEE. coaching institutes only grill the student for the the toughest exam in the whole world.. and only those students are selected are really very very sharp.. coaching classes have just given us a new horizon to think beyond the limit where other people gave up. Infact i would say thanks to my coaching classes which gave me that horizon.

If you have ever lived in IIT campus then u'll realize the difference between an iitian and a non iitian.. i have seen people able to solve 30 big problems on calculation in less than 5 min and that too mentally. i have seen people not even studying for 1 hour publishing research paper like hell. which is nothing but the result of the of gudd mathematical and analytical skill.. i myself am a aspirant of IAS and i must say.. clearing IAS demands more of consistency and hardwork.. but JEE demands intelligence and some times hard work too

Further The IIT's were meant to produce something different, and to get some thing different u'll need to treat those people differently..

JEE was meant for top 0.1% of the population.. and u really cant compare those 0.1% with the rest of 99.9%.. because the 0.1% are going to lead the rest of 99.9%
Response to Prashant:
Abhinav Narain Feb 23, 2012
@Nishkam
I did my bachelors and masters from IIT Madras in 2011, and currently pursuing PhD in Georgia Tech. I want to argue against you... The standards of JEE has already dropped. My juniors said, AIEE was tougher than JEE !
The point i am driving is .. when the standards have changed .. the name also should be scrapped off. AIR xyz in 1985 is not similar in mental capacity as AIR xyz in 2009. This also helps in removing the useless hype media creates in news for IITs. Random talent gets in because they have money to goto coaching classes, and after going to IIT they loose all the enthusiasm for academics ... thereby being mediocre .. and then seek different opportunities (including UPSC)
The system will self heal .. .good students will perform good and a 9.5 student from IIT will be good no matter how he came in ...
Anyways there is no mains exam, no Resnik, Iridov to solve for incoming batches since 2006 .
You should trust your own testing skills now than JEE, which has yielded in getting the best talent in past years(Don't think about how the exam was ... because now its a regular exam with JEE tag)
Response to Abhinav Narain:
Nishkam Ravi Mar 16, 2012
Abhinav, I'm aware of the downgrade in quality of JEE and consequently students coming out of IITs in the recent years. And, therefore, as you rightly pointed out, more attention has to be payed to the GPA of the student and other factors that make up their intellect and personality. I'm also aware of the dark-side of JEE-success and the harms it can inflict on the psych of a young adult. However, there's more to the "JEE Tag", than meets the eye. Hopefully, you will realize that in due time (I would need a lot of space and time to break it down for you).

Besides, the solution to "expensive coaching institutes downgraded JEE" will not come by scrapping JEE, but by going back a few years and reversing some of the decisions that were made along the way (that lead to the current state).

In nutshell: should JEE be scrapped: No. Can JEE be potentially rectified: Yes (but that's a related albeit different topic and should be discussed in another forum at an opportune moment).
Raju Feb 22, 2012
Its totally wrong in saying upsc vs iit_jee. IAS are far ahead and very knowledgeable . Only fools can say that IAS is easy.
Nishant Feb 22, 2012
Vikram
IIT nahin nikalne pr IP ka exam bhi IIT-JEE se tough ho jaata..... Aur baat rhi analytical skills ki toh,woh tujhe koi bhi ni sikha sakta, it's not something that can be taught in class. u have to gain that skill on ur own..........................mujhe ek jagah bata jaha skool level training mein teri analyticall skill badhate ho......

At last mr. kapil sibal, u have experimented a lot on us (students going to 12th this year), first cce and then this crap......................if u really wanna improve the quality of education in INDIA just go and watch what they teaches us in skool...................just luk at the difference between skool education and IIT-JEE syllabus............................................
i can guarantee u none of the teachers teaching cbse in skool can crack IIT-JEE.........skool mein education ka level badao aur fir baat krna....
Rahul Patel Feb 22, 2012
New system won't resolve the problem of coaching. It can't bcoz there will always be a need for upper edge to achieve and be among the best in a nation of population of more than 125 crore. It is just to gain the political benefit. Getting good % in boards (one just needs to mug up formulas, no need to get any depth in concepts) . Vanishing one of the best exams in world will only harm to our nation.
Tarun Feb 22, 2012
I also remember the effort it took for me to prepare for JEE but could not qualify . I always had respect for those who did. But after many years i realize that it didnt make any difference. My friends and relatives who cleared the JEE are doing the same drab non-technical job in finance that i am doing except that IIT (and IIM) brand name probably gave them a faster trajectory.

In contrast the most average students in my college are now doing cutting edge work in US because they liked it even if they were not that sharp. The reality is that JEE selects just a sharp candidate against the most suited candidate. None of my friends or relatives were suited for engineering. To test suitability you have to look beyond exams at interest, tenacity and lateral thinking along with character which US unis do very well. The JEE model is flawed because a future bobby fisher will clear the JEE (because of high IQ) and waste a seat but edison would not, even though the most significant eng advances were done by edison.
Meera Feb 22, 2012
If the JEE is scrapped then History will remember the following people as those responsible for destroying the historic IITs set up by the visionaries like Jawaharlal Nehru.
1. Mr Kapil SIbal -€“ HRD minister
2. T.Ramasamy €- Secretary, Department of Science and Technology, Government of India.
3. Sanjay Govind Dhande - IIT Kanpur director
4. V G Idichandy of IIT-Madras who first suggested scrapping of the JEE
5. IIT-Madras director, M S Ananth who was vehemently keen on scrapping the exam in 2008
Meera Feb 22, 2012
I think the excuse of coaching institutes has been used by the politicians for promoting this new system for their own gains. The new system will only increase coaching classes. Chk this to know the actual story https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=306232112767755 also join IITIANS.org on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/alliits if you want to save the JEE The toughest exam in the world and the only thing not yet touched by corruption in India.
Parvin Feb 22, 2012
Not unless we save it.. evolution never goes behind.. it always have memory of it former glory and it bounces back very quickly. People are dead against this move, if few corrupt politician thinks, they are shut down common people mood, it aint going to happen. Many students, teachers, parents are against the move. You can see movement to save JEE (http://iitians.org) has already attracted more than 33,000 followers. There are many other similar forums who want to fight to save JEE
Vikram Feb 22, 2012
The IIT JEE today is highly devalued thanks largely to these coaching institutes. The emphasis is on "cracking the exam" rather than improving overall analytical skills. There is further an adverse impact of these huge competitive exams which put a premium on intensive preparation. The case of renunciate from cricket and girls mentioned above isn't unique. It is the tale of every IIT JEE aspirant. The UPSC is more exclusive in that the number of seats is fewer, it tests at a later stage in life and the it attracts a broader crowd of aspirants. There are a lot of IIT graduates who don't make it through the UPSC exam.
Response to Vikram:
Ashish K. Mishra Feb 22, 2012
Hey Vikram, so you're saying that JEE should be replaced with a exam very much like the UPSC?
Response to Vikram:
Yash Feb 22, 2012
And there are a hell lot of ppl who 'd 've cleared upsc but 'll nvr ever be able to clear JEE........
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